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Mine is 93 pace, 92 sho, 87 pas, 99 dri, 84 physical with quickstep and first touch. I also added finesse plus from season pass.

He's really underrated as I almost never see him. He is so good at cm playmaker for me. His dribbling is really smooth and nice with 5* skills and technical plus. Great passing, especially through balls. His body type is nice as he has the weight to shield and win some challenges, but not clunky. Power shots are also kind of op, especially against the 2 dk formations.

Sorry for slow reply, I had him on hunter. I switched him to 96 Steijn and he feels better in the same role (De Jong prob would have stayed in if he got another upgrade).

What chem are people using? Especially for b2b cm? I am thinking hunter but maybe hawk for lengthy?

Idk why but he's very good for my evoed to 93, he has aura in cdm holding. I have him with bruiser plus now and his defense is top quality and he can score and pass too. Also 5 star skills if you can get it (first evo I did for him was fut birthday)

He's still an A-tier card rn I think, but yeah obviously no upgrade for a while now.

I wonder the same. Now that De Jong is not getting upgraded, I am looking to replace him and think Bruno could be better. I do like De Jong's 5 star skills and press proven though. Might try Bruno and report back.

Im evoing him (specialist plus left foot forward). Probably the first Bosnian I've used since Lulic.

I've only played him a few games but really enjoy him. He replaced Matthaus for me. How low do people think he will drop? Might have to sell and rebuy

He's really good. My main tip is that although he is a CM (I use on playmaker attack), he has the ability of a top cam in terms of his goal scoring and dribbling (his finesse is nice in the box). He's not the most lightning quick, but has really nice dribbling style when you get used to it (r1, skills, well timed speed boosts). I was too passive with him at first, be aggressive with him to get the best

I use him shadow with mostly lengthy. He feels very fast already. I think the +4 pace is better than pure lengthy but idk for sure.!

He's amazing after 159 games I can rate 9/10 (most games next to 92 evo Stam). So fast and powerful, I might be imagining but for some reason I feel Stam positions himself better for interceptions despite both having basic intercept. Overall though he's really good.

**** I'm losing coins (I bought for 815k) but he's so good for me and a fun to play with in a 4-3-3 b2b cm. How low do we think he will go?

This evo makes him extremely good. The combo of playstyles and stats, he feels more like a good 92-93 rated card imo. When he gets another evo with a 3rd (or even 4th) playstyle he will be cracked. I play him next to 94 Mattheus and 93 De Jong and he fits right in lol.

I swear, it's so weird. And sometimes, for me, he feels fast, then at certain times he just drops off completely.

IDK wtf his issue is, very rare to have such a love/hate player producing polarizing performances. At fullback++ balanced or defend, he feels very nice. Very stable and solid 90% of the game. But he will go brain-dead and forget how to accelerate at random points against wingers (despite quickstep and 99 pace with a shadow). I got a 10-5 with him at LB 2 weeks ago but I just keep going back and forth if I actually like him lol.

Probably now or maybe in a week. He will probably drop when tots gets going in earnest.

I packed him tradable. He's not bad but just feels clunky. I think he's best as a CDM, but there are better options for pure defense. He's good at shooting and is fairly quick. Great power shot. Through balls are obviously very nice. I sold him for 215k today, going to try evoed Zanetti 89 out. Finally, he runs out of stamina. Not terrible at DLP DM, but if you try him as box to box (I did for a few games) you'll notice his stamina goes down fairly quickly due to no relentless and 91 stamina.

I haven't used Beckenbauer or Lahm, but I'd def play Gerrard. My intuition says Beckenbauer over Trent if you have both, but worth trying them both out to see what you like.

I've been using him as a super sub since packing him untradable when he came out. He feels good at DLP. His attacking and defending isn't as good as other options, but both are very solid for a substitute. 89 pace is nice as he comes on feeling faster than a lot of other DLP options. Has 5 star skills, but dribbling runs aren't his strong suit compared to passing and defending (his size is nice too). I start TOTY Palmer so don't use his free kicks much, but they are good when I have.

This card is still pretty cracked. Long ball+ on her is fun.

Had his 20-game loan, he started as a sub and slowly became a starter. Had to buy him on the market. I play him with 2 chem but he's so good for fullback++. I think Grimaldo could be better but I don't have enough.

I evoed him to 92, he is CRACKED.

Very good. HIs defending is AMAZING if you want his style of player, ie he can cover 1.5 positions worth of ground for interceptions and tackles. A true, classic holding mid role. I had to get used to his size, feels like he has aura. I have him in 4-2-3-1 next to Gerrard (also played him next to others) for 36 games so far. Only 6 assists, but his defensive impact is so noticable. Having him paired with evoed 99 passing Scholes got me to d2, I just switched Scholes for Gerrard and liking him a bit more so far (Scholes and Makelele togeter is pretty small).

* 98 games played 76 goals 79 assists. Divison 3 ~10 wins champs.

I'm proably gonna at leas try the Mendy, but I have come to like Ashley on the left (lb balanced) with a more physical rb on the right as rb defend (evo Ryerson for me rn). I accidently did a useless evo on him tradable so I can't get rid of him. I wonder if the lack of techincal plus will be noticeable with Mendy. Also Cole's icon chem is nice.

I like him a lot. He is fast, good interceptions, and wins the ball well. Occasionally can struggle with really fast players that he can't get a body on but very good defender overall. He also feels quite competent on the ball.

He's so good. I packed him during toty and was a bit conflicted as an Arsenal fan, but his card won me over. His r1 and skills with his pace and strength is kind of broken. I get people messaging me mad at me for "abusing it" regularly. His finesse and regular shots are fantastic. I use him as shadow-striker in various formations and he is always a star whether playing more direct or as the main ball-handler. His passing is good, but his main "weakness" (compared to other top-tier midfielders) is the general lack of passing playstyles (though regular incisive pass and his 95 rating helps).

They really couldn't give him holding ++.

*Edit On last comment: That was my toty palmer's stats. She has 51 goals and 25 assists in 55 games.

IMO, she is one of the best strikers in the game, probably the best under ~2mil. 58 games 39 goals 48 assists (d3; ~10 wins on champs player). Trivela+ is very underrated. Pace: Amazing. People saying she's slow must be bad. Her speed boost is obscene. Shooting: Very good, nice finesse and trivela+(iykyk) Passing: Good, not great (no passing playstyles). Trivela+ lets her do some nice angled passes. Dribbling: Very, very good. Great r1. With Finisher she has 99 agility and 90 balance. If she had 5 star skills she'd be too op. Also strong af and wins headers.

He's good but his stamina is annoying af. Has to be subbed at like 70th min every game in 4-4-1-1 holding defend.

TOTY blueprint is obscene. Feels like prime Ronaldo.

Doing it for full back ++. Had already done some acrobatic + evo on him. Hoping he's a beast with ++

His evo feels so fast. Great upgrade.

I sniped him for the evo. Took about 5 minutes. I'm doing him because I need a lm way more than rm/rw and he looks like a beast.

Bonmati if you want a more attacking playmaker. Williams if you want a better defender. Williams long shots are better but Bonmati has 5 star weak foot and finesse shot. Her dribbling and passing are amazing.

I tried him and liked him a lot. He feels fast, fun to play with, and solid. I'm waiting for them to fix the price range then I'll rebuy him probably.

He's just so slow for some reason. Saliba or WW Guehi clears for me so far.

I used her gold since packing her at the beginning of the game. I bought this one a few days ago and I think it's a good upgrade. The gold was still amazing, but this one feels just a bit better. Faster, finesse shots feel a bit more accurate, slightly better passing, etc. She is one of the best cards in the game especially if you like dribbling.

I'm a bit mad I'm jumped the gun and bought him for 140k, but he's really quite good. 55 games played with him 7 goals 4 assists. He started in a 4-5-1 for me as a holding+ cm (which are still relatively rare) and was fantastic. He wins the ball like a defensive mid and has the passing ability to get it back in to the offense. His dribbling is not amazing, but good enough (especially his r1) to carry the ball confidently. Now I swithced to 4-4-1-1 because I pulled succession Messi, and he's on the bench as box to box mid and he's very good in that role too.

Packed him from one of the season player picks. He is amazing. 12g 13a in 20 games so far. He got me to 10 wins in champs for my first time. His body-type is OP once you get a feel for it (he just shrugs people off and can move the ball so quickly) and his movement is incredible. R1 and L1 dribbling is absurdly good, and he has a nice little speed-boost (I have him on hunter). Playing him in 4-4-1-1. Minor downside is he will get tired near the end of the game, but it doesn't affect him much (never felt the need to sub him out). Also, you're playing with the GOAT which feels fun.

He's so good in game w/ a hunter. You feel his agility/balance and dribbling so much. 5 star skills has made him even better. Only downside is he doesn't have any quickstep or rapid. R1 dribbling is amazing and trivelas are amazing. Good passing too.

Just started using him as LM inside forward balacned in 4-5-1. Have deadeye on him and he's got 5 goals 2 assists in 13 matches (a few were subs). He is good in the buildup with his physicality and dribbling. Have him on deadeye to help his passing and shooting. Speed-boosts with quick step+ is an obvious plus.

So, so good. Using her as the central CM playmaker in 4-5-1 and she really shines there. Throw a hunter on her and she scores a lot of goals while providing assists as well. Her r1 can be devastating when used correctly.

So good, worth it over her gold imo. Dribbling feels way better and her passes somehow got even more perfect. Using as B2B only downside is stamina (I usually sub her out for Veron or Thurma depending on if I'm winning in the ~75th minute of close games.

Used him for 182 games now as stay back RB. Such a solid player. Recently did defensive dynamo for anticipate and block. Defensively, he is very, very good. Easy to avoid getting dribbled around and he constantly out-muscles wingers for the ball. I use catalyst on him which makes him fast enough to very rarely get beaten for pace, and his passing servicable. That and his dribbling are his obvious down-sides, but it's not as bad as it seems on paper (86 short pass and 83 long pass with catalst). He takes a bit of getting used to, but once you learn his body, he can support the attack.

He's the first icon CB I could afford so far that doesn't feel like a sacrifice compared to the likes of Saliba, VVD, Rudiger. He outshines Nesta and his own base card. His pace isn't S tier, but his positioning is so good that he almost never gets caught out. I have Saliba next to him and they're a great pairing. I really hope he gets the upgrade with a bit more pace and anticipate with jockey or interception.

Randomly packed her from the 82x14, really like her so far. One of the only players in the game with cm holding++. I'm using her in a 4-5-1 as lcm with holding and ball-winning. The only issue is her height and strength, but she's so quick and wins the ball well. Then going forward she has the ability to carry the ball consistently and distribute it. So far I've played 28 games and actually she has yet to score (partly due to role I have her on) but she has some close with some longshots. With 90 shooting I'm sure she's also quite good at b2b (have patri potm there now and she's also great)

I really like him. Used him earlier but now that he's cheaper he feels more worth it. His shooting is extremely good, and his passing is very good for a striker. Dribbling is good, but you have to take your time with him. His pace combined with 1l/r1 and skills is enough to beat someone if he gets a yard of space, but sometimes the cbs will catch him on breakaways (even with hunter). He also feels quite strong despite 75 strength. Using him in 4-5-1 advanced forward with new support focus. I will use him this WL and update (usually 4-6 win player).

His dribbling isn't great, but good. He feels best at box to box to me instead of the main playmaker. I use him with hunter in 4-3-3(2), bonmati as playmaker much better.

He was mediocre for me at first, giving away a lot of fouls and not tackling well. But after I got used to him he's one of my fav cbs in the game. I prefer him to van dijk because of defender++. It's very noticeable imo, he's almost never out of position.

My thought exactly. Needed him for chem and pleasantly surprised by him. Figured his passing would be sus but with catalyst it feels good.

Very fun to play with, but probably not worth the coins for a try-hard team. His tackling is incredible, like a vacuum, and he has cool unique animations. Problems are in the air (especially on air through balls) and against pacey players (his lack of pace and lengthy let him down). Worth trying out for his unique tackling.

His finishing is also top class. Trivellas are nice. Also, I get people being disappointed at getting him as an icon due to his price. But seriously, give him a try.

He's still somehow the best striker I've used save maybe Bergkamp (who is 4x the price). The part of his game I like the most is hard to describe and idk what exactly causes it, but his hold-up play is incredible for AF. I think it's the mix of his dribbling, passing, and height/body-type, along with decent passing stats. He has the ability to receive the ball in a 4-3-3 and play through the wingers in various situations better than anyone. I keep going back to him, just benched my POTM Lewandowski and he got 3 goals and an assist in his first two games. Also, not slow, can run on through ball

Better than Araujo?

Is he worth it over his IF?

I use him on lw with Hansen on the right too. I have him on hunter and find him very fast, especially when utilizing the rapid/quickstep speed boosts (like go from l1 to speed boost in the box and he blows by defenders). It took me a while to get used to him, but he is starting to score for me more. He's like a sports-car, very powerful player but can be a bit tough to control.

The father of Marcus Thuram

Not slow for me with hunter. Not blazingly fast, but he has enough pace that if he has a step on someone near the box, he can take advantage, unlike Lewandowski, Kane, etc. He's not fast enough to spam through-balls to, but if he's open through the middle, he can take advantage. His dribbling feels good (not Griezmann level but good for a striker), his passing is very decent, and his shot is amazing. 4* weakfoot and trivela plus means he can shoot from anywhere (my main complaint with Griezmann). His positioning also feels really good on AF+. For me, best striker I've used under 200k.

Him or Varane?

Him or Hierro?

Changed him to hunter and he's way better. His dribbling and passing are already good enough. With hunter he has the pace to get the last step on defenders and shooting is really good inside the box.

By far the best cb I have used. I have him on shadow. I haven't tried anyone over ~50k, but in his range he's the best, especially if he drops down to 30k again. He's fast, good jockeying, good tackle, interceptions, heading, everything.

Him or Patri? Just packed him.

I use him next to Schlotterback and Schlotter outshines him by a bit. Tah is not bad, but might replace if I could find someone better with my chem. He feels a bit slow even with shadow and somehow just seems to get ran through pretty often even when you are in front of someone. Has plenty of good tackles and interceptions though (interceptions, the ++ seems to help quite a bit).

Good, classy defender. Use with shadow.

Rush-out and deflector combo make him op imo. So good at closing down. Won a few games I probably didn't deserve to because of him lol

I have him on 2 chem currently, good, but not great. He lacks a bit of pace compared to other players around 77. Playstyles are really good, his through balls are amazing, good first time pass (tiki-taka), and relentless is nice. He doesn't have that final step or shooting for me to create goals "on his own" though if you want that. I might try to get him on 3 chem with an engine and see if he feels better.

Very good for me. Dribbling is good when you get the feel for him, he's a bit "slow" compared to some other wingers, but has the body type to shield the ball. He makes good runs at Inside forward. Shooting is good for me with hunter.

Haven't seen anyone mention or using him at LB. I have him on 2 chem (with shadow) at leftback. Off role as fullback. He's amazing. Great defending, and very rarely gets beat for pace. The advantage of having someone that can head the ball really well as a fullback is underrated for defending crosses.

His shooting is so good it's hard for me to replace him lol. Physically pretty decent for hold-up play as well--also incisive pass is low-key op for a striker if you have inside forwards.

She is absolutely absurd in game. Got her untradable day-1 and haven't looked back. Was using her as a sub, but she was so good I built the team around her. Dribbling is off-the chains with amazing shooting.

Really good with evo in game. Wingback + is lowkey a lot better than attacking wingback +, more intelligent with decisions of when to get forward.

Really good for me evoed to 84.

Good in game with b2b evo. Tiki-taka, press-proven relentless, good AI movement.

Amazing in game. Deceptively fast and tough on defense with holding cdm +. Air through-balls are obviously amazing with her PS. Tiki-taka also underrated for first time passes (good link with Pedri for that too). Bought her for 25k, happy to see her getting recognition, but won't sell.